|Mar 14, 11
||Please leave that stuff to me, Lee!
Lee, we don't yet have an "frequently asked ARSA Chart Chat questions" section. I am
powerless to add one. Your latest question/kind offer has been thrown out there
before. For years now, I've strongly preferred that our keyers just leave adding
the 45 flip side/label/catalog info to me. I believe it has worked out well for
everybody. There are good reasons for it, trust me. My Saturday request was simply
an attempt to not have to add 500 new ARSA 45s/their associated info into the db
during a single day, that's all - there are no daily ARSA maintenance problems.
Leaving that stuff to me is mainly just for uniformity/consistency sake - kind of a
"too many cooks" scenario. I am already the "Library Of Congress", as far as owning
every 45/LP research book known to man, so not to worry there. Thanks for the
considerate offer, though, Lee! Besides, all the actual survey key-in work that
folks like you do every day is already plenty enough to ask of you! Also glad to
see you're able to enter in the "yearend" lists you recently inquired about on
here, buddy! :) -Jim
|Jun 1, 09
||Please Please Me/Re-issue listings...
Hello Roy and Kenn, and thanks a million to both of you for all the great survey
key-ins lately; you guys are on ARSA just about every single day lately, helping
"Gary The Iron Man" and adding some simply incredible stuff! As to your points:
Roy-Yes, some of the Beatles' "Please Please Me" Vee-Jay 498 1963 45 pressings did
spell the group's name "Beattles". But most 1963 45s did come out spelled the right
way. At the time, for some reason I decided not to make a note of the spelling
error, but I will now go ahead and do so, as I've added similar comments to ARSA in
similar cases. As to Kenn's point about only listing "initial" 45 releases, it is
certainly debatable. I happen to know that ARSA "CEO" Tim Warden prefers to have
any/all survey-appearing releases included in the database, for those interested in
browsing label discographies. We don't go nuts adding every single release on every
label, but it seems that they happen to get pretty "filled up", just by ARSA
continually adding surveys, and me attaching all of the label/catalog info for
them. It's amazing how many songs happened to show up on at least one survey when
they were a current! Kenn, you're 100% right that entering multiple 45 releases has
long caused ARSA major headaches, with the system trying to discern (and often
incorrectly) which specific database entry to attach the appropriate new survey
listing to. But in the UB40 example you cite, if we just went with the first, 1984,
A&M 2600, barely Top 40-peaking-in-the-U.S. "Red Red Wine", 45 release info, then
all of the many, #1-in-1988-surveys, on A&M 1244, would then wrongly default to the
1984 listing, and to a 45 # that folks didn't buy the 45 on back in 1988. As a
former programmer myself, if I were Tim, I would fix this glitch by adding
something some code such as, "if there are two listings for the exact same song,
then have ARSA match the 'circa' (or year) info, and match it up with the year
appearing on that particular survey." That way, 1988 "Red Red Wine" survey data
would be correctly matched up with its 1988 ARSA 45 database entry listing, not
1984's. Same thing with Roy's "Please Please Me" example. This fix would then be
place the 1963 survey data with its 1963 ARSA entry (as opposed to 1964's). But, as
always, I will leave the final call up to Tim (aka, "Our Fearless Leader"). Kenn, I
do most defintiely agree, however, that something needs to be done here. In my
opinion, you've hit on what is to me ARSA's #1 current system flaw. All my best,
|Dec 4, 06
I have surveys from WENE in Endicott New York and WARM in Scranton PA from 1963
-1969 (many of the missing ones from WARM from 65-66.
How do I get these posted? New to all of this...and love what I'm seeing and would
like to share...
Also have a whole series of individual surveys from the 60's...back then I used to
send out a self addressed envelope to radio stations across the country and ask
them to send me as many as possible...sometimes I really got repsonses!
|Nov 30, 09
||POSTSCRIPT - WWDJ SURVEYS
||Ben E. McCoy
BTW, Roy: if it could be arranged, i would be glad to
send you a copy of a printed-out survey version from my end so you could personally
see the difficulty of the too-small-that-are-posted WWDJ download images i am
|Feb 20, 09
I'm going to wade in again here, and point out that a number of singles pop up on
this particular KROQ chart. It's NOT an album chart, but rather a playlist which
indiscriminately lists *records* regardless of format (7", 12", LP)
The following were all singles:
9. Nowhere Girl - B Movie (Sire 29733)
11. Modesty Plays - Sparks (Underdog 13001)
12. Lies - Thompson Twins (Arista 1024)
13. My City Was Gone-Chain Gang - Pretenders (2-sided hit. A-side was "Back on
Chain Gang", B-side was "My City Was Gone") (Sire 29840)
14. Mirror Man - Human League (Virgin / A&M 2587)
22. Jeopardy - Greg Kihn Band (Beserkley 69847)
40. Buffalo Gals - Malcolm Mclaren (Island 99950)
12 and 14 were defintely on albums of the time - The Thompson Twins "Side Kicks",
and Greg Kihn's "Kihnspiracy".
I realize it may be unconvential, but could not this records chart be split up into
an album chart and a singles chart for tracking purposes? Obviously, the Albums
chart will be missing entries for 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 22 and 40 -- and the singles
chart will consist ONLY of those numbers.
An explanatory note at the bottom of the chart could read something like: "This
KROQ chart lists both singles and albums, listed together from 1 to 40. Due to
technical restrictions, the "List Chart Data" function will show two separate
charts, one for albums, one for singles. At first glance, it may look as if the
separated album and singles charts have entries missing -- however, all chart
placings from the original combined list are represented."
I hope I'm not being too picayune about this, but one of the best features of this
site (in my opinion) is the ability to track the progress of a particular single
from station to station across North America. By placing the above singles in the
same category as other singles, we can easily see that (for instance) KROQ was
playing "Back On The Chain Gang" before anyone else. (Even before my hometown
station!) And that's the cool kind of info that I think you can find on this site
and nowhere else...
|Apr 20, 11
||Previous Posting by Eldon Sanders Luoma regarding Old Charts et
||Eldon Sanders Luoma
Hi Everyone, Just noticed my name was not on the previous posting so thought I
would mention it. By the way if anyone would like to write to me regarding the old
music surveys and airchecks the address is Eldon Sanders Luoma, Box 3536, Langley,
B.C. Canada V3A 4R9. Will Respond as soon as possible. Again have a great Easter
Weekend everyone and hope the weather is nice where you are!
|May 6, 11
||PS to Michael....
Sir, I just did an ARSA Chart Chat search on your name. and this is approximately
the 5th different time that you've asked basically the exact same question here on
Chart Chat, from as far back as 2007! I also see, back in 2008, that I gave you a
very similar explanation to the one I just gave to you earlier today, to your
then-very-similar question. (This issue did sound vaguely familiar to me.) At the
time, it sounded like you understood where ARSA was coming from. But, now here it
is, 3 years later, and you ask the exact same question, still again! I just don't
understand this. I can only conclude that you have been/are extraordinarily unhappy
with ARSA's current database 45 philosophy. And to such a passionate, determined
degree that I've never before personally witnessed on here, Michael!
I know on-line complete 45 discographies are lacking on the Web. I am very
sorry about this, Michael. Of course, you are always more than welcome to start
your own "45 discography" website, no? There is a big need for this sort of
database on the 'Net. I know I, for one, would bookmark it as a favorite. Please
note that ARSA founder Tim Warden is a database designer - perhaps he can
advise/assist you in even setting something like this up.
I truly just don't know what else I can say to you at this point, Michael. I
have tried my best to as honest, cordial and respectful to you as possible. Just
know that I will no longer be replying to you, in regard to this matter. I can only
now offer you both my sincere best wishes and my prayers to you, going forward.
|Jan 10, 12
||Question for Paul Haney
I've been enjoying the mind-boggling number of surveys you've entered from
September 1983 forward. Will you ever be moving *backward* from that date at any
I only ask because I'll be doing some microfilm research in the next month or so,
looking up some Canadian charts from '81 and '82. If you already have this era
covered, let me know which stations you already have, so I can concentrate on
digging up info that doesn't duplicate yours.
|Jul 25, 07
I'm wondering if someone could tell me how points are tallied for the overall
ranking of songs? Also, for a doubled sided hit (eg I'm A Believer / Stepping
Stone) are the points split between the two songs or are both songs credited with
Are the pictures of the charts added by scanning the original chart or by using a
digital camera "snapshot"? A quick summary on the process needed to add some of my
music charts to the data base would be appreciated.
(By the way, Gary, I certainly enjoyed the CHLO air check. Thanks again.)
|Feb 24, 08
I've tried twice to post a message and I don't know if it's worked or not.
|May 29, 15
||Radio Surveys - Wrong "Carter" and Wrong Year (1966/1967)
I soooo love this website. I wanted to create something like this online yeeeears
ago (I too have a good number of old 1960s radio surveys). Fantastic Job!!! Just a
FYI, I went to search radio markets where Anita Carter was played on a small handful
of pop/Top 40/"rock" radio stations back in the 1960s. I know that her country hit
"I DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE" made some small rumbles on Top 40 stations in The South
however, upon searching the database here, I see that this particular 1967 hit song
has been accidentally linked to a couple of R&B crooner, Mel Carter hits on the air
in 1966 (WKLO-Louisville-KY and WKGN-Knoxville-TN). Wrong Carter and wrong year.
Just a small typo that I think you need to be aware of. Keep up the awesome work!!
I need to dig up my old pop radio surveys and scan them for you sometime. Thanks,
|Jul 21, 14
||Ray Charles Modern Sounds in Country & Western Music Volumes 1
||J. A. Theroux
When I was inputting the KEWB chart today I had to check the album charts for the
correct title of the Ray Charles album and discovered there were two volumes of his
C&W work! So I had to figure out which one was the correct one and after digging
around on the internet I found that Volume 2 wasn't released until October 1962,
but I also noted there are several charts in ARSA from before then linking to the
Volume 2 LP. I just thought you'd like to know about this.
|Jan 7, 13
||ray stevens the streak
for some reason i can not get this song to come up with a dot
|Mar 1, 08
||RE10: Radio London
I'm glad you like the site.
The only real explanation I've ever heard for Anorak is as follows:
Boats of day-trippers used to be taken out to visit the offshore stations -although
the captains did not allow them on board. (I believe a few exceptions were made for
attractive young ladies - if the captain was otherwise occupied - but that's
another story!) Only invited guests were permitted to board and were frequently
artists plugging their current singles.
Very often the radio enthusiasts came dressed in hooded coats called anoraks. One
day on Radio Caroline, DJ Andy Archer spotted the tripper boat arriving and said,
"A boatload of Anoraks has just arrived". In fact, the word he used to describe the
visitors to his fellow jocks was allegedly something vastly more derogatory, but
'Anoraks' was the word he used on the air.
Whether or not that's the true explanation, I don't know. The term has come to
describe anyone with an obsessive interest in a particular hobby - usually
something considered fairly nerdy, such as train-spotting or stamp-collecting.
Some radio enthusiasts object to the term, seeing as it can apply to some decidedly
strange people, but Chris and I are quite happy calling ourselves Professional
Anoraks. As you can imagine, there are very few female Anoraks. Luckily, it was a
mutual love of radio that brought Chris and me together. We met 39 years ago, while
working for a hospital radio station.
|May 4, 15
||RE10: The phantom singles!
I just listened to a Jodi Gales song "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is [Part 2]"
posted by bbgezz on YouTube and the lyrics were all about being free, Care Free.
There's no other information except the picture of the 45 -- Savern label #109,
(but showing Part 1).
The song "Care Free" exists, just hidden from view as the flip side and part 2 of
|May 4, 15
||RE11: The phantom singles!
Good information there, Geno. Thanks! Just to clarify, are you saying there
actually is a Jodi Gales song entitled "Care Free", or is the real title either
Part 1 or 2 of "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is"? All references to Savern 109
I can find show it containing Part 1 and 2 of Put Your Money...
|May 4, 15
||RE12: The phantom singles!
I continued researching this and I saw this Jodi Gales 45 for sale on eBay. The
seller included both sides in the pictures section. Both sides are titled, "Put
Your Money Where Your Mouth Is." The only distinguishing bit is the Part 1 and Part
However, the B Side is not a continuation of the song on the A side as is typical
of other Part 1 and 2s we see. I listened to side A that someone else posted on
YouTube and then listened to Part 2 again. The lyrics and music are totally
different on Part 2. All those lyrics are about being Care Free, but the record
maker didn't give "Care Free" as a title as it should have done.
If it were me, I'd add it to the catalog titled "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth
Is, Part 2, (Care Free)". I hope this clarifies matters.
|May 4, 15
||RE13: The phantom singles!
Some outstanding detective work on this one, Geno!
Listening to both sides as posted on YouTube, it sounds to be like the same
instrumental backing track is used for both sides, but with a completely different
set of lyrics and vocal melodies on each side. "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth
Is, Part 2" definitely could have (and probably should have) been called "Care
Free", as that's the repeated hook of the song ... and the phrase "Put Your Money
Where Your Mouth Is" doesn't appear once!
|May 4, 15
||RE13: The phantom singles!
Thanks for the great research, Geno! Added "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is,
Part 2" to the data base, changed the title on the related chart and added a
notation that the survey shows the title as "Care Free".
|May 4, 15
||RE14: The phantom singles!
I'm sure that any other djs who may have played the B side are going to call it
"Care Free" as well! It's a great song.