|Mar 24, 07
||RE4: KXOK ( St. Louis, Missouri )
While there are some exceptions to the rule, i.e., some individual songs seem to
get early airplay on KXOK, as a general trend I think that you're right, at least
through 1968. This may have been attributed to the monopoly that KXOK had on the
AM top 40 market in St. Louis during the mid and late '60s, to the conservatism of
Keith Morris, who I believe was responsible for the playlists in '65-'68, or for
some other reasons. It is interesting to note that, when I was attending college
at Washington University ('66 through '70), I wrote a letter to KXOK in early 1967
complaining about their slowness in adding new songs to their charts as compared to
other stations (WLS was my comparison station back then). From the scattered
surveys I have seen for 1969, it does appear that KXOK had caught up with other
markets as the decade ended. With the entry of KSHE, and later KADI, into the
market, their playlists also seemed to get a little more progressive in the later
'60s and beyond.
Again, I thank you for all your efforts on adding the surveys - when your surveys
appear on the ARSA site, it almost has the same feeling as when I waited for the
new weekly survey back in the '60s.
I also listened to KATZ from time-to-time, and will look at these surveys as well.
I'll also look forward to the additional two years or so of KXOK surveys that you
mentioned in your message to me.
|Feb 26, 08
||RE4: Radio London
I don't know what, if any, limit Tim placed on this chat section. Tim??
The longest message I see below is one from Burbank which is about 450
words/2500 characters. Try splitting your message into two parts and sending
again. Hope it works. Thanks.
|Mar 2, 10
||RE4: Satisfaction / Rainy Day Women on KYA San Francisco
Jeff: I believe your hypothesis to be absolutely true. As a person who spent many
years inside the world of Top 40 radio myself, generating weekly surveys, I can say
for sure that a good many of these fine people were not exactly the most accurate or
detail-oriented in the world, as we've seen over and over again. I happened to be
the exception, so I naturally became very involved. This particular complex error
could also have been created by the station's office secretary, who often (but not
always) got stuck with the typing. Roy, I'm just gonna continue with Gary's
long-standing philosophy of leaving the incorrect song data as it appears to the
naked eyes, while "internally, inside the ARSA database" correcting all the info
using Jeff's above post. That way, for all the major ARSA reports/individual song
histories, the info will then be correctly stored, as it was meant to be originally
represented. A bit confusing, but I know what I mean! Give me a few days, guys, and
you'll be able to see what I've done. Thanks for cracking this crazy case for us,
|Mar 6, 12
||RE4: Think I know what happened to you, Lee!
ARSA Jim: Couldn't get the "Add My 2c Worth" to work on your previous e-mail so I
re-used this one. Thanks to you and Gary Pfeifer, I was able to figure out how to
utilize the Microsoft Office Picture Manager already contained within my Windows 7
(I didn't even know it was there) so it looks like I'll be busy for awhile going
back to most of the WHB 40 Star Surveys I've contributed and editing them to upload
the survey images; should be fun. Thanks again to you and Gary for all of your
guidance and help; you guys are the best!
As concerns the surveys I am keying in and will continue to key-in for which you
are currently adding the images (i.e, WIBG, K/MEN, KFXM, KJR, WCOL and a few
others), almost all of the copies I am using/will continue to use have been defaced
somewhat as I have written the # Weeks on most of them. As they are no longer the
"pure" surveys distributed by the radio stations, would you prefer that I not
upload them and you continue to add the cleaner copies after I key-in the data?
Standing by. - Lee
|Nov 9, 12
||RE5: 1961-11-05 / WKBR ( Manchester, New Hampshire )
Re: the WKIX year end surveys.
I again revisited the website and couldn't figure out any way to contact a site
administrator. The closest I could find was a link for a Blog site but there
hasn't been a post to its since 2007.
|Nov 26, 12
||RE5: 1965-02-13 / WABC ( New York, New York )
I think I may have figured out what happened. I think the culprit is the printed
February 20, 1965, survey which I believe to be a typo. Unless I missed something,
if you were to change the date on that survey to February 27, 1965, the
musicradio77.com survey dated February 16, 1965 would now be the corresponding
survey and we have our 11 day gap between unveiling and print dates. Doing this
would also eliminate the "missing survey" and would result in the following
musciradio 77.com and print date matchups, all with correct LW data and the
appropriate 11 day gaps:
Musicradio77.com Print survey
Feb 2 Feb 13
Feb 9 Feb 20
Feb 16 Feb 27 (presently dated Feb 20)
Feb 24 (s/b Feb 23) Mar 6
If you agree that this is what may have happened, I'd be happy to clean up those
surveys I contributed upon my return. Starting Thursday, I'll be off-line until
December 11 as we're doing an early Christmas Caribbean cruise. Let me know.
|Apr 5, 10
||RE5: 1965-04-04 / KGFJ ( Los Angeles, California )
I went on the Stations page and sorted it by call letters and found the KEWB FM
station was listed twice as was KRLY-FM. While I'm on the subject, may I suggest
adding the -FM suffix to the FM KEWB to distinguish it from the '60s AM station
which it is not related to.
|Jun 14, 13
||RE5: FBI Virus
I too am glad to hear you've checked the site and that it's clean. I was afraid
that maybe I had infected the site as it was shortly after I had sent a survey
image upline to the site that the virus reared it's ugly head. I deleted the survey
and survey image shortly thereafter via another computer, but you never know and
it's good to know I didn't infect the site and that it's clean. Lots more surveys
to come. Cheers.
|Jun 11, 13
||RE5: FBI Virus
Tim, Gary, Ken and all
Thanks for your kind words the past couple of days and I'm certainly glad no one
else in the ARSA gang has had to deal with the FBI Virus as it's quite a pain. I've
been off site the last couple of days as the Best Buy Geek Squad has had our
computer to clean it up. It appears that our Webroot Spyware failed us and left us
vulnerable to the FBI Virus which we contracted from some booby trapped website or
social media site. We're all cleaned up now and I plan to be back on site tomorrow
|Feb 26, 08
||RE5: Radio London
Message part 1
I was intrigued to find your fantastic survey site. My husband Chris and I run the
Radio London website, dedicated mainly to the Sixties offshore station of the same
name, aka Big L. The station was aboard the m v Galaxy off the Essex coast, but was
Texan-owned and based on KLIF. It brought Top 40 format and jingles to a British
audience for the first time.
We'll have been running the site for nine years in March and one of our proudest
achievements is a complete set of Big L Fab Forties. The station was broadcasting
from December 1964 to August 1967, but the first surveys we have start in
mid-January 65. Prior to that, we do not know if any proper charts were compiled.
Radio London had very few new records aboard the ship for the first couple of
months and played a fair amount of tracks that had come across from the US on the
Our friends on the net-based station Oldies Project air a Big L Fab Forty from the
exact week 43 years ago every Sunday morning.
This is the second time the Oldies Project have aired the Fabs, starting again
right from the beginning in 1965. It proved so popular the first time around that
they had to add an extra server, because the existing one was full to capacity.
Then they had to start repeating the chart on Wednesday evenings for overseas
listeners. After the first run finished last August, demand was so great that
Oldies Project agreed to do a second run. They only do it for a hobby and the
amount of time they put into it is amazing.
|Mar 5, 10
||RE5: Satisfaction / Rainy Day Women on KYA San Francisco
Jim & Roy, thanks for the feedback. Just happy to help out this site wherever
possible. Roy, thanks also for the tip on the KRLA Beat site, very cool stuff!
|Nov 9, 12
||RE6: 1961-11-05 / WKBR ( Manchester, New Hampshire )
I couldn't find a way to contact the website administrator either. Let's stick
with the decision to leave them off unless further evidence of their
authenticity/origin is obtained.
|Nov 26, 12
||RE6: 1965-02-13 / WABC ( New York, New York )
I believe there is a very strong likelihood that what you described is what
occurred. I had even brought up the possibility of the 2/20/65 printed survey date
being in error earlier.
I'll take care of modifying the 2/20/65 (now 2/27/65) survey which was a prior
upload of mine. If you could clean up the rest at your convenience, that would be
great! MOST importantly tho, enjoy your Caribbean cruise!! Sounds wonderful!
Thanks again for all your efforts and contributions.
|Apr 5, 10
||RE6: 1965-04-04 / KGFJ ( Los Angeles, California )
I see what you're referring to now, Jeff. I was looking at the surveys page rather
than the stations page. Don't know why the KRLY-FM and KEWB-FM would show up twice.
Will look into it.
|Feb 26, 08
||RE6: Radio London
I constantly add new information to the Fab Forties and I found the ARSA site when
searching for the Zephyrs, whose single 'She's Lost You' is this week (in 1965) the
Radio London Club's Disc of the Week. I was quite amazed to find this obscure single
had appeared in the WMCA Good Guys survey!
See Fab Forty 210265
Over the years, Chris and I have included quite a bit of material on the website
about other offshore stations. We have made a huge number of contacts and friends
in many countries and have organised several offshore reunions.
Last year, a Belgian guy called Jempi asked us if we would host his collection of
Radio Caroline charts, as he was having to give up working on them. Caroline is
probably the best-known of our offshore stations, and had two ships, North and
South. Jempi's charts are for the South ship. They are very different from the
Radio London charts!
There are links to the Fab Forties and the Caroline charts from our Home Page.
Chris doesn't have much time to spend on the website, so it's mainly me doing the
work and I try to update weekly. There's never any shortage of material and I'm
afraid I haven't yet had time to do any work on the Caroline charts.
I was interested to see that US radio freaks are called Airheads. Here, we are
known as Anoraks!
Mary Payne, Radio London
|Mar 5, 10
||RE6: Satisfaction / Rainy Day Women on KYA San Francisco
you're welcome, jeff. my favorite slogan to my staff in finance and IT was "if
everything goes fine, all we do is file. if something goes wrong, THAT is the time
and we all have learned and had fun with the kya mess from 40+ years ago! roy
|Nov 9, 12
||RE7: 1961-11-05 / WKBR ( Manchester, New Hampshire )
Will do; have a great weekend.
|Nov 27, 12
||RE7: 1965-02-13 / WABC ( New York, New York )
The 1965 WABC February 13 & 20 surveys have been cleaned up and now correspond with
the musicradio77.com website 2 & 9 February 1965 WABC surveys. Wanted to get these
done before I left so I don't have to revisit this somewhat confusing scenario when
I return in about 10 days. Hopefully, the 1965 WABC surveys will be smooth sailing
(no pun intended) from here on out. Thanks for the well wishes and I have many,
many more surveys to contribute when we return. Cheers!
|Feb 27, 08
||RE7: Radio London
Right, I finally managed to post my message in two parts! I think the problem was
that I put in the urls for the charts, which are rather long. When I took those
out, the message was accepted. Anyway, the charts are easy to access from our Home
|Mar 6, 10
||RE7: Satisfaction / Rainy Day Women on KYA San Francisco
I'm deeply impressed with your forensic analysis of the KYA surveys from 1966.
Terrific work! I had not thought to see if other records disappeared from the
survey or if there were other anomalies. I was just interested that 'Satisfaction'
had recharted six months after dropping off Billboard (not in itself an anomaly),
then had been mysteriously replaced at #2 by 'Rainy Day Women', which hadn't
appeared until then. I didn't expect that anyone would come up with a reasonable
explanation for how this happened, and I apprecizte that you did.
Roy, I appreciate your comment about filing what goes right and learning from what
goes wrong. We all make mistakes that we'd like to forget about, and I feel almost
embarrassed that 44 years later we're analyzing someone else's. Then again, no real
harm was done, and I hope that we can all appreciate - and learn from - these
I find myself curious how many of the abberant chart trajectories that one finds in
radio station surveys are due to errors. I grew up in Michigan listening to CKLW
and mid-Michigan top 40 stations, and I remember a few strange drops and spikes of
records' chart positions.
I recognize that much would depend on the methodology underlying the development of
the surveys. If they were actually based on record sales, then a hit on a small
label with inconsistent distribution might become unavailable, drop off the charts,
then reappear when a shipment came in. If they were based on requests, then if
anyone got sloppy with tallying incoming calls, inaccuracies would result. If they
were merely the judgment of whoever was compiling the charts, then all bets are off
if the person was fickle for whatever reason.
When I have time, I might do a quick look at some of the weirder chart trajectories
that I've come across. We'll probably never be able to determine why they occurred,
I won't pretend that they're important, and they probably won't be as interesting as
the KYA surveys of 1966, but it might be fun to look at.
Thanks again Jeff, Roy, Jim, Mark, and Ben.